Wednesday, December 11, 2019

Bob Lazar's Story: A Report by Tanner Pool



            Robert “Bob” Lazar is a scientist from Florida, who claims to have worked at a sub-section of area 51 called S4. In 1989, Lazar stepped forward with allegations that he had worked on top secret propulsion systems in S4. Bob brought a highly detailed account of what kind of cutting-edge technology he worked with and his personal account in area 51. While Bob does not like all the publicity associated with his name, he has appeared in several interviews and had a documentary about his story released on Netflix by Jeremy Corbell. The man Lazar came forward with was George Knapp, a man well known in the UFO and conspiracy theory community (The Editors of Publications International 1). Lazar claimed to have studied at Cal Tech and MIT but has failed to produce any proof of attending either school (Urswick 2). Many use this as a crutch to debunk Bob’s story, but his first hand accounts plea otherwise. Is this the government trying to discredit Bob? Is Lazar just a man of tall tales, or is there truth hidden in one man’s previous job?
                Robert “Bob” Lazar is a man from Florida that has claimed to work at area 51 in a sub-section called S4 as a physicist. Bob worked with the government in the mid to late 80’s at S4 before he revealed many secrets of area 51. Bob detailed many works he observed at S4 that rival the tales of science fiction. In 1989 Bob Lazar came to a local UFO enthusiast and radio producer George Knapp. (Rogan 1) George filmed an anonymous interview with Lazar. Not revealing his name or his face, lazar described a previously unknown base in area 51 called S4. He claimed there were aircraft hangars built into the mountain around papoose dry lake. Before this interview the only people aware of the sub-site called S4 were former area 51 workers.  (Knapp 1) In 2019 Bob Lazar appeared on an episode of The Joe Rogan Experience podcast. In this interview Bob claims he worked on highly advanced propulsion systems and that him and his partner tried to reverse engineer the machine. (Rogan 1) The interesting thing about Lazar is he is very collected. He does not go back on his story or talk like a crazy man. Bob sounds like and looks like he knows what he is talking about; He is not the stereotypical guy associated with a conspiracy. Lazar even said in the Joe Rogan podcast that he hates the attention his story has brought him over the years, and that the people that have tried to talk to him have been frightening.

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 “It’s no joke we have had people literally camp out on our front lawn. In some ways I can relate to some of these people. Maybe some of them really did have some experience or saw something and now their friends think their crazy. But at least this guy on the radio knows I’m not full of shit. I have to talk to him… Some of them are batshit crazy. It’s frightening.” (Rogan 1).  
In the interview with George Knapp Lazar stated, “Look, I’m not out there giving UFO lectures or producing tapes. I’m not in the UFO business, I’m trying to run a scientific business, and if I’m The UFO Guy it makes it really difficult for me. It is to my benefit that people don’t believe the story. So when somebody says that they don’t believe my story, I say, ‘Great. Pass it around. I don’t want you to believe it because it makes life difficult for me.’”  (Knapp 1)
Lazar’s integrity has been questioned by many of the skeptics. Bob claims he has a master’s from CalTech, and MIT one degree in computer science and one degree in physics. (Bob Lazar 1) These degrees have come into question however. Lazar has failed to provide any record of these degrees or record that he even attended these schools. In his interview on the Joe Rogan podcast he claims that the government had removed many things about him from the public eye. (Rogan 1)To this day Bob still can not even produce a birth certificate for himself. The lack of evidence for his education would be easy to write off as a lie, but a complete lack of a birth certificate (Rogan 1)? That is a little harder to explain than it just being a lie. Many skeptics use these lack of documents as an immediate write off, but they are just looking for anything to “debunk” this story. Is it unreasonable to think the most powerful nation in the world could bury a traitor’s records? No, it is totally reasonable to think that if Bob’s claims were true the United States government would use any means possible to discredit Bob. They would refrain from outright silencing him because anyone with half a brain would realize what is happening. One author claims Bob embellished his story about the jet car he made in the 70s. (Bob Lazar 1) The author uses other jet engines in comparison to Lazar’s jet car. (Bob Lazar 1) This claim of embellishment and the fact that lazar can not provide any evidence of birth or education does raise some suspicions of his character. One who would embellish a story being written in the paper would not be above lying to millions of people. In the Joe Rogan Podcast Bob does not come off as someone looking to profit off of his experience. He claims he regretted ever coming out about the things he worked on in S4 and that he wished he was still on the cutting edge of technology. While Lazar did have a Netflix documentary made after his story, he has not made any attempts to publish or profit off of his story. He explicitly states in the podcast that he hates attention and that attention is the last thing he wants coming from his story. Only Bob lazar knows the truth behind his story but many love to speculate on how much is real and how much is fiction. 
The most far fetched theory is that Bob Lazar is telling the truth about Area 51 and S4. Bob initially made his claims in 1989, While that was 30 years ago Lazar has had a lot of time to think about his story. Bob never goes back on or recants the things he has said. He also does not contradict himself in terms of his claims of education and his project while under S4. Therefore, skeptics can not use contradictory claims to discredit Bob’s story; they will have to rely on other means. Now according to his claims, Lazar maintains the story that he got a bachelor’s degree in physics and electronic technology from Pacifica University (TheLazarTimeline 1). He continues to hold fast to his claims of education from Cal State and Cal Tech. That does not end his claims of education though. His last claim is a master’s degree from MIT (TheLazarTimeline 1).
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In the first few minutes of the episode of an episode of The Joe Rogan Experience that Lazar appeared on, He states he worked at a lab in New Mexico called Los Alamos (Rogan 1). This is where the story truly begins. It is the summer of 1982, just months after he got his acclaimed master’s degree when he makes the front page of the paper for creating a “jet car.” He had attached a jet engine to the back of his Honda Civic and was said to reach speeds up to 200mph (Bob’s jetcar article 1). The little Japanese car would screech like plane even just idling in the parking lot (Bob’s Jetcar article 1). His car was tested in a dry lake in California to get a test of its speed. This is important because Bob was seen in the paper by Edward Teller, “The Father of the Hydrogen Bomb” (Rogan 1). Bob had met Teller and, Teller had gave Bob a reference to someone which led to the job at S4 and Area 51. Bob recalls his application was for “advanced propulsion” with an erratic schedule in a remote location (Rogan 1).The application itself did not mention Area 51 at all. This is how he acquires the job at S4 where he is first exposed to the hangar built into the mountainside overlooking Groom Lake (Rogan 1). This is significant because he is the first person to testify about this hidden hangar that would later be confirmed to reside in the mountainside. The first weird thing he claimed to see was in the hangar doors. Bob was told to keep his hands at his side and his eyes forward as he walked by a UFO (Rogan 1).  Bob was quoted saying this on the Joe Rogan Experience: “This is the only time it became exciting… Now I knew we were beyond the cutting edge of science” (Rogan 1). 
Lazar claims he was given very little information about his project but he was given just the essentials so him and his lab partner could begin working on it. He also makes a point of his personal safety being in jeopardy. Bob’s lab partner told him about the death of the former scientist while also working on the reactor Bob was working on (Rogan 1). The reactor is specifically the project lazar was brought in to backwards engineer as part of the “advanced propulsion” projects (Rogan 1). Lazar himself describes the reactor as a plate with a half sphere like a half of a basketball and when the half sphere is attached to the plate it emits a gravity field away from its center (Rogan 1). This goes against all known laws of physics. The word gravity connotes that it would be pulling things toward its center, but what Bob is describing is something more like the concept of anti-gravity found in science fiction. It’s like when you try to attach two like ends of a pair of magnets together, there will be a magnetic field providing resistance against you. This is how Bob describes the reactor itself across the entire Joe Rogan podcast and across the documentary he is heavily featured in entitled “Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers”. 
Now the story becomes a bit more complicated as he described the fuel it takes to run this reactor. Allegedly the reactor was powered by an element not yet discovered in the scientific community. Lazar avows this all the way back in his first interview with George Knapp, a UFO enthusiast and news anchor in the las vegas area. The element was later discovered and announced to the public in 2003 (Meet Element 115 1). The element was placed on the periodic table in the 115th spot and was called Moscovium (Meet Element 115 1). While Lazar could have had no pre-existing knowledge of this element he could have fabricated this with a hunch that a new element would be discovered. However, at that time there were only 109 elements known.  If he were fabricating this story wouldn't 110 be the next best element to say must exist. Bob also claims that it ran off of a stable variant of Moscovium but that still has not been made today by scientists around the world. They have only made non-stable isotopes of the element which die in seconds (Facts About Moscovium 1). 
People that believe Bob’s story use his testimony about element 115 as proof that he really is telling the truth. People that attempt to disprove Lazar’s testimony use the fact that the element he described does not have the properties of today’s moscovium. Lazar counterclaims by implying that he was working with an isotope of element 115 that has not been discovered yet. Lazar describes the craft as a dark pewter color on the interior with no wires connecting any of the pieces containing all rounded edges (Rogan 1) He details how the inside is impossible to stand in due to its very low to the ground ceiling. He said it felt eery like it was made for someone half his height. It had small seats all located around a reactor in the middle of the craft while also containing nothing in the way of control panels buttons levers artwork or anything inside of it (Rogan 1). The craft was circular and cold to the touch (Rogan 1) Bob provides so much detail about the inside and the details of this flying saucer it is impressive to listen to. 
Bob Provides so much detail about the things he saw, tested, and worked with while he had the job at S4 but it all just seems so far fetched. Before you take that into account you need to take a look at the facts. Bob Lazar definitely knows his stuff about science. He knew about the mountainside hangar before anyone else did. He knew about element 115 before the rest of the world. He details many different things about S4 and Area 51. He is either lying about his education or something is trying to cover him up and discredit him. Joe Rogan brought up the following point: “The only way your employment at Los Alamos was proven, was when someone found an old directory of the workers and saw your name in it. “ (Rogan 1)  This is almost indisputable proof that someone is making extraordinary efforts to erase Bob’s past. Some believe he is telling the truth and that the government is hiding the truth from the population. Conspiracy theorists believe the government are the ones trying to hide Bob’s proof of education and birth certificate. “I think George Knapp was the first one who uncovered that… He saw my birth certificate disappear… Yes there was no record of it.” (Rogan 1)  
Rogan asked the question: “What is it like to see your birth certificate erased and your employment history erased?” (Rogan 1).
Lazar responded by saying, “It’s frightening. It’s absolutely frightening.” (Rogan 1). 
Lazar knew about a specific division of Area 51 not told to the public until after he exposed it and a whole element that wouldn’t be discovered for another decade. On top of that he has real human accounts of the things tested and studied at area 51. These things are the reason so many believe the story of Bob Lazar.
Robert “Bob” Lazar is no doubt an intelligent man. He has detailed accounts of Area 51 and other scientific inquiries that were later confirmed. He gives us reason to believe him by stating he did not reveal this information for money or fame (Rogan 1). 
“What really annoys me is the people that say ‘you guys just came up with this story to make a bunch of money or get a bunch of attention.’ First of all I don’t get any money out of this at all. I wouldn’t even let you guys buy plane tickets for me to come out here. Anytime Jeremy previewed the movie up in Michigan it brought a couple thousand dollars. I made sure the two thousand dollars went to science programs at the local highschool. I don’t take any money from this stuff. And as far as attention goes,  I hate fucking attention. I don’t like being on shows I just want to hide in the corner and do my own thing. I got enough hugs as a kid. If you think somehow we came up with this thing, you gotta tell me why we did it (Rogan 1). 
Bob is genuinely not the one who wants the spotlight or attention, and it is believable when he says that he hates attention.  However, whether he did it for money or attention is not the problem. UFOs and other things resembling science fiction are the problem. This technology that he describes seems almost too good to be true. Just the fact that he describes a UFO would drive people away. The most complete argument against Bob is his lack of records of schools that he attended, and the lack of birth certificate (TheLazarTimeline 1) (Bob Lazar 1). To this day, Bob has not provided proof that he went to CalTech or MIT (TheLazarTimeline 1). If He did attend these schools they just would not throw out any record of him for no reason. If the government would want to discredit Bob, they could do it through this means. Thinking the government would resort to this may also seem far-fetched, but the government does have the means to spy on every citizen at every point in time, and could have no problem putting down a geek in a lab coat. Could Bob be making this all up? It is not impossible to think this. He has had one story that he has stuck to without contradiction, and that is not impossible to fabricate. He initially gave details about Area 51 in the late 80s and going into 2020 he has not once recanted his story in the public eye (Knapp 1).People outside of Lazar’s circle may never know the truth to the Lazar story, but it is definitely an intriguing situation whether it is real or a hoax.
 Works Cited

  "AlienScientist.com." AlienScientist.com, www.alienscientist.com/boblazar.html.
   “Facts About Moscovium (Element 115).” LiveScience, Purch, www.livescience.com/41424-facts-about-ununpentium.html.
   Knapp, George. "Out There." Nevada Public Radio, knpr.org/desert-companion/2014-11/out-there.
   Kramer, Melody. “Meet 115, the Newest Element on the Periodic Table.” National Geographic, 30 Aug. 2013, www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/8/130828-science-chemistry-115-element-ununpentium-periodic-table/.
   Rogan, Joe. Host. “The Joe Rogan Experience, ‘#1315 Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell’” June 20, 2019.

  The Editors of Publications International, Ltd. “Bob Lazar, UFO Hoaxster.”  HowStuffWorks Science, HowStuffWorks, 28 June 2018, science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/bob-lazar.htm.
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